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From: [e-mail] (Eric R. Augustine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Technology is insulting!!
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:26:23 -0800
Organization: HAC
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In article <4j98ig$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Karl
Thomas) wrote:

> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
> >Amiga users are having fun using their Amiga's, they are not waiting for
> >anything.  They already have what they need.   Amiga users have never been
> >like ibm or mac where you are desperately waiting for a faster processor in
> >the hope that it will actually make the crap os work right.
>
> What is this adversion Amiga users have fast computers?  I never remember
> Amiga users saying this when the Amiga was about on par with PC's and
> Macs.  No we want faster processors so we can do more or the programs
> we have can run faster.  Are you really saying those people who use
> Amigas for graphics wouldn't like faster processors?

The point being that Amigas CAN do several things at the same time - and
do them all genuinely.  Mac and PC Operating Systems offer an emulation of
this ability but don't truely do it.  AmigaOS is the only OS of the bunch
that was built from the beginning on a multimedia architecture WITH the
ideas of Object Oriented Programming.  The basis of ANY microsoft OS on
the PC is still stuck with that poor excuse "I wrote it in 6 weeks as a
class project" (and this is the truth) operating system.  MacOS STILL has
Pascal based data structures in the core of the 'kernel' and still deals
out its files on the same 'written in two hours' (again - the truth - read
your history on the MacOS) filesystem.

Of course everyone in the real world wants faster processors - but in the
world of the Amiga - one can make serious and professional advances without
the aid of some brute force 'double the clock again sam' lo-tech chip - Like
anything that is put out by Intel.  And on the Mac - well - if you don't
pound it with cpu - the rest of the hardware is beating on the cpu - and
after the rest of the hardware gets done - then you have that just plain
bad operating system.

> >Amiga has always had quality applications.  You are clueless on this point.
>
> Compared to Excel, WordPerfect, Quark Xpress, Netscape Navigator?

Easily smaller, better, faster and cheaper.  That is because in order
to develop something for the Amiga you don't have to pay outrageous
tributes to a college dropout who has fantasies of being a movie
producer.  Not to mention you don't have to deal with those outrageously
lame coding idealologies that occur in the core of MS code.  If you have
ever coded on the Mac - we don't even have to discuss it - you know that
machine has no hope.  If Sun would have bought them out - it would have
been the best thing that ever happened to Apple. And the Mac.

This is not even beginning to take into consideration that our applications
are significantly smaller because of the forethought of those who created
the Amiga.  The mac and pc are each nothing more than garage projects that
achieved popular status due to marketing - not because they could do anything
of import or value.

> >I can get an 060 Amiga 3000 with gfx card for $2000.   That is a great
> >price and an awesome machine.  And it even can run mac software :)
>
> New?  An '060-50Mhz processor in an Amiga only makes the Amiga run twice
> as fast as an '040-28 (according to Amiga Shopper) and the cheapest one
> costs around $1400.  But then you still can't run Mac software half as
> fast as the current crop of Macs being sold and you can't run the increasing
> number of PowerMac only apps.

Whooops - According to tests (not to mention benchmarks done here locally)
the Mac emulator running on the A4000 (from before the days of Escom) would
run Mac software at speeds exceeding 4 times that of a very high powered
Mac (this test was done between a Mac 840AV with the DSP chip and DSP filters
against an A4000/25 with a broken write-back cache)

Now - the PowerMac is not a serious increase in power over this tested
Mac... Though the 060 IS a serious improvement over the 040.  The PPC
is by all means nothing special - it's popularity only developed by the
hype of the combined manufacturers - not the quality of the device itself.

Now consider what the equivalent Amigas could do compared to a Mac...
Ever put an A3000 against a IIci?  Or the A500 against the original
Mac?  Not to mention the A1000??? If you can sit there and tell me
that the equivalent macs could do the same or better - you'd better
check out what you're smoking a little more carefully.  It's causing
you serious brain damage.

We won't even get into why the Amiga is a significant advance over the
current PC.  The PC hasn't really changed since it's introduction in the
early 80's.  The Amiga has changed a great deal under the same idea that
it was born under because that idea was conceived with great forethought
and vision.

.trog--